Dear Jay,
Hope you are well,
We can clarify what you need on Monday and I'll check with our technicians if they
can build it..but as we discussed last time there are no walls or vertical surfaces
you can hang from in Dana, hence why I suggested a light frame, easy and cheap to
build. But if you don't like the idea, we simply need to be creative and find
another solution..speak to berit and see what you think, but remember, we only have
a couple hours on the Wednesday to set up and erect the structure, so it has to be
simple....
All the best
carole
Tuesday, 12 January 2010
Carole 12-01-10
Brona 12-01-10
Dear Jay, that sounds like a more reasonable plan. At 5 square metres
> you'll be taking up a floor space of approximately 2.2 m x 2.2 m,
> which is only slight larger than we'd envisaged.
>
> Sorry if there was any confusion, but I'm not aware that the plans to
> make frames are going ahead, because nobody seemed to like the idea.
> If you do wish to have frames made, please talk to Carole asap. There
> may still be time (just!). Her number is *********.
>
> Btw, regarding your catalogue imagery, I feel the graphic of the maze
> (associated with your original proposal) to be slightly stronger than
> the image you sent of the felted camel-hair maze, partly because in
> the photograph the latter looks a little rumpled. We can include both
> images in the catalogue if you like, although each will be rendered a
> little smaller. Let me know what you think.
>
> Best, B
> you'll be taking up a floor space of approximately 2.2 m x 2.2 m,
> which is only slight larger than we'd envisaged.
>
> Sorry if there was any confusion, but I'm not aware that the plans to
> make frames are going ahead, because nobody seemed to like the idea.
> If you do wish to have frames made, please talk to Carole asap. There
> may still be time (just!). Her number is *********.
>
> Btw, regarding your catalogue imagery, I feel the graphic of the maze
> (associated with your original proposal) to be slightly stronger than
> the image you sent of the felted camel-hair maze, partly because in
> the photograph the latter looks a little rumpled. We can include both
> images in the catalogue if you like, although each will be rendered a
> little smaller. Let me know what you think.
>
> Best, B
Jay 12-01-10
Morning Brona,
Berit and I have discussed it and we would prefer to stay downstairs if possible just to keep everything in one place for the public.
Berit has suggested maybe using the box walls as cabinets (please see attached pictures) to display what we were going to display in the plinths and then have the maze table in the centre... We wanted to ask you if Carol thought the people at the college who are constructing the frames would be able to make ours like this? And if we would be able to have it slightly larger at 5 square metres on the ground to compensate for the walls having to come in slightly for the cabinet space?
Sorry to keep pestering you with this, just need to know for sure what we are working with so we can start making it all!
Jay
Berit and I have discussed it and we would prefer to stay downstairs if possible just to keep everything in one place for the public.
Berit has suggested maybe using the box walls as cabinets (please see attached pictures) to display what we were going to display in the plinths and then have the maze table in the centre... We wanted to ask you if Carol thought the people at the college who are constructing the frames would be able to make ours like this? And if we would be able to have it slightly larger at 5 square metres on the ground to compensate for the walls having to come in slightly for the cabinet space?
Sorry to keep pestering you with this, just need to know for sure what we are working with so we can start making it all!
Jay
Brona 11-01-10
Dear Jay,
If I have done my sums correctly, you are proposing to take up 25 % of the entire floor space in the cafe area. Coupled with the fact that the cafe will need to be operational over the 2-day exhibition period (which means they will have tables and chairs in there too) and the fact that we are proposing to include all three installations downstairs you will need to downscale your proposal considerably.
Since we had the crit, when Carole suggested that each project was contained within a frame consisting of a space not more than 8 cubic metres, so 4 square metres on the ground, your idea has grown somewhat. If you feel this compromises the work too much, the other option involves looking at the possibility of using the upstairs space. I attach PDFs of the floorplans to give you a better idea of the space, but remember there is furniture to consider too. Have a think and get back to us.
In the meantime I'll remind the others of the space we're working in as no doubt everyone will have 'evolved' their ideas since we last spoke. All the best for now, B
If I have done my sums correctly, you are proposing to take up 25 % of the entire floor space in the cafe area. Coupled with the fact that the cafe will need to be operational over the 2-day exhibition period (which means they will have tables and chairs in there too) and the fact that we are proposing to include all three installations downstairs you will need to downscale your proposal considerably.
Since we had the crit, when Carole suggested that each project was contained within a frame consisting of a space not more than 8 cubic metres, so 4 square metres on the ground, your idea has grown somewhat. If you feel this compromises the work too much, the other option involves looking at the possibility of using the upstairs space. I attach PDFs of the floorplans to give you a better idea of the space, but remember there is furniture to consider too. Have a think and get back to us.
In the meantime I'll remind the others of the space we're working in as no doubt everyone will have 'evolved' their ideas since we last spoke. All the best for now, B
Berit 08-01-10
hey,
attached the two floorplans, hope it makes sense. floorplan 2 i don't
really know how to place it into the room though.
they are big files and it would be best, if you print out 4 sheets
per file and tape them together, to keep the dimensions. let me know
if you want me to split the sheets for you.
plinth file is just a rough sketch for dimensions, in case they are
asking.
i was thinking that we could build the plinths out of cheaper
plywood, and make the lids that sit on top of the glass out of nicer
second hand wood. so each plinth would have a slightly different
surface.
shall i send a mail to maik to explain plans?
do you want to send the one to brona?
have a great weekend!!
xx
Maik 04-01-10
hi berit and jay,
happy new year to london! over here it's getting really cold again and
everything is snow covered since days..
i've attached a first outline of an idea suggesting that the table top
(with the maze) is resting on springs, so that one can push the
corners of the table down in order to play the game. instead of using
4 springs i like the idea to implement some kind of distorsion (what i
think would underline your idea) by keeping the fourth leg in its
original condition. if the 3 modified table legs are slightly longer
than the original one the table appears sloped. the idea is that
people would initally try to align the table and by doing so realize
the balls in the maze and start playing.
in the drawing you can see a chair attached to the table. in the
starting position the chair is beeing suspended over the floor, so
that one can push the table down by sitting on it and so control the
game (this is all subject to tests).
for some reasons i think the table should be square, but looking at
your drawings of the round maze, berit - i'm not sure.
do you already have ideas about what is happening when the balls fall
through the holes of the maze?
just some general questions: do you understand the maze similar to the
setup for a scientific experiment? if so, is the maze's goal
equivalent to the hypothesis and all the other holes that what you
call negative data?
just asking to get an idea on how to deal with the combination of the
maze with the table in a bit more abstract way - rather than having a
maze game standing on four legs. ;-)
re: set-up
there is an exhibition called Natural History coming to my mind about
the work of Swiss architects Herzog & de Meuron. They mainly had
material studies and process modells on display which they combined
with peaces from natural history collections. everything was simply
laid out on tables and labled with a running number.
here is a link to the catalogue:
http://books.google.de/books?id=1BON3iwjlisC&lpg=PP1&dq=herzog%20de%20meuron%20natural%20history&pg=PP1#v=onepage&q=&f=false
let me know your thoughts,
speak soon-
maik
happy new year to london! over here it's getting really cold again and
everything is snow covered since days..
i've attached a first outline of an idea suggesting that the table top
(with the maze) is resting on springs, so that one can push the
corners of the table down in order to play the game. instead of using
4 springs i like the idea to implement some kind of distorsion (what i
think would underline your idea) by keeping the fourth leg in its
original condition. if the 3 modified table legs are slightly longer
than the original one the table appears sloped. the idea is that
people would initally try to align the table and by doing so realize
the balls in the maze and start playing.
in the drawing you can see a chair attached to the table. in the
starting position the chair is beeing suspended over the floor, so
that one can push the table down by sitting on it and so control the
game (this is all subject to tests).
for some reasons i think the table should be square, but looking at
your drawings of the round maze, berit - i'm not sure.
do you already have ideas about what is happening when the balls fall
through the holes of the maze?
just some general questions: do you understand the maze similar to the
setup for a scientific experiment? if so, is the maze's goal
equivalent to the hypothesis and all the other holes that what you
call negative data?
just asking to get an idea on how to deal with the combination of the
maze with the table in a bit more abstract way - rather than having a
maze game standing on four legs. ;-)
re: set-up
there is an exhibition called Natural History coming to my mind about
the work of Swiss architects Herzog & de Meuron. They mainly had
material studies and process modells on display which they combined
with peaces from natural history collections. everything was simply
laid out on tables and labled with a running number.
here is a link to the catalogue:
http://books.google.de/books?id=1BON3iwjlisC&lpg=PP1&dq=herzog%20de%20meuron%20natural%20history&pg=PP1#v=onepage&q=&f=false
let me know your thoughts,
speak soon-
maik
Jay 29-12-09
Hello everyone =)
Hope you both had a great christmas and santa rewarded you well for being
so good.
Berit, I think the images you have made look really good, you are
obviously your own worst critic. Regarding negative data in science it is
often recorded in the lab book that the exp did not show what we thought
it would and then if the observation is not interesting it is just
dropped and forgotten almost. As for filing you design 'negative data' I
do not know if this would be a good idea as we are trying to suggest that
in design anything negative can become positive (obv that isnt always
true but it is just of ease to explain) so i think to document your
negative findings might confuse matters? As for the images you sent
before cmas (sorry i have been so slow to respond) I think the pieces
around the centre maze table looked really good. But we can discuss all
of this on friday 8th. Any ideas when and where you wish to meet?
Maik, I think that table / chair idea sounds really interesting =) I look
forward to seeing how you are getting on.
Jay
Floor plan 1
Proposed exhibition set up 1 - plinths to display the thought process and experimental procedure. Maze table centered to enable interaction with idea. Similar to museum displays as near to science and natural history museum.
Berit 19-12-09
Hi Maik and Jay,
I've just heard it's -15° in Halle. Maik, still alive?
Lots of news Nobelini-wise.
Attached two texts. First is Nobelini overview to explain the
concept, second is more related to the design outcome.
Dates:
EXHIBITION: 10 and 11 February at Dana Centre (images to add)
LOGISTICS
Set-up will occur early on Wednesday 10th Feb, we can get there as
early as 6am if we like to give us time for set-up. Take-down will be
after the Thursday night event. The public is requested to be out of
the building by 9.30pm - I will find out how much time after that we
will have to take-down and pack up.
FINAL CRIT will be at the Dana centre on Monday 18th January at 10.30am:
This will give us the opportunity to review the space that your
installations will occupy and for you to fine-tune your prototypes in
line with that.
Jay will be there, I am in Amsterdam. Let's try and get a lot by
then, and have an idea of final set up.
The crit was helpful I think and quite a few changes will happen:
- Jacket: Probably won't happen due to time restrictions. We will
rather have a collection of textile samples, that could be exhibited
as series that show the growth of the material into shapes and
clusters. So far I had used the maze image for printing samples, but
it seems that it is too complicated and I will search for some
simpler solutions, still somehow maze related. Carole encouraged me
to produce 'a collection of weird stuff', and that sounds good to
me :) Colours will be natural, mostly brown and greys. Although I am
thinking of incorporating some brighter ones as little colour spots,
we'll see.
Please find attached images of the samples so far.
- Table: We both love the idea of using a secondhand table, as it
goes really well with the textiles. In the next mail I'll send some
images of wooden experiments, using old woods, lasercut and
screenprint. Not sure if it's of any use, but maybe helps finding the
aesthetics.
- Film: We are not sure if we still need it. Definitely we don't
fancy having a big plasma screen. If we need to show the process, we
can do that as simple stop-motions, showing on little screens or
photoframes.
Set-up: How to bring the prodcuts together as one installation? For
example:
- laboratory set-up, with the process of the scientist on one side
and the designer's on the other side, to show that the samples are
handed over and the process is divided. (sorry Jay, maybe you can
explain it a bit better..)
- I was thinking that we could make some little plinths, round shaped
to indicate a maze, where we place the samples on. they form a circle
and in the middle of the circle is the table. for the samples we
could have archive boxes or they could be built into the plinths.
hum, hard to explain, please see attached sketch.
- maybe use old wooden frames, similar to the ones for butterflies
and beetles, and show it in Natural History Museum style.
- any other ideas welcome!
Please let me know if you need more or other info.
Maik, if you need cash for materials, please let us know. It takes
them at least two weeks for transfers.
Hope you are good and enjoy a lovely pre-Christmas snowball fight!
Berit xx
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